Summary
In this episode of CareLab, hosts Brandy Archie and Emilia Bourland speak with Harry S. Campbell, a seasoned business executive turned author and keynote speaker. Harry shares his personal journey as a caregiver to his wife, Chris, who has been living with the long-term effects of a malignant brain tumor. He discusses how caregiving has reshaped his perspective, enhanced his leadership skills, and inspired a mission-driven speaking career that donates all proceeds to charity. The conversation blends humor, vulnerability, and wisdom, offering valuable insights for family caregivers and leaders alike.
Key Questions Answered
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How did Harry Campbell’s personal experience as a caregiver begin?
His journey started when his wife was diagnosed with an inoperable malignant brain tumor in 2004. Over time, as her symptoms progressed, Harry took on increasing caregiving responsibilities.
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How did naming the tumor “Louie” help Harry’s family cope?
Naming the tumor gave their family a way to talk about the illness with humor and distance. It made the abstract threat more concrete and allowed them to include their children in the conversation in a manageable way. -
What is the biggest challenge Harry faced transitioning into a caregiver role?
One of his toughest personal challenges was learning patience. He struggled with the instinct to help too much and had to respect his wife's independence while being ready to step in when needed. -
How does Harry define great leadership?
He breaks it into three tiers: leading yourself, leading people (through influence and impact), and then leading the business or mission. Without leading yourself first, the rest falls apart. -
Where can people learn more about Harry’s work and support the cause?
Visit headforthecure.org to support the brain cancer nonprofit he champions, and harryscampbell.com to learn more about his books and speaking engagements.
Transcript
Emilia Bourland
Hello everyone, welcome to Care Lab.
Brandy Archie
You guys welcome to CareLab. I'm so excited because today we got Harry S. Campbell here and we're both in Kansas City. So I'm so excited to have you be here. Harry is a senior exec with over 35 years of leadership experience, including roles as president of two Fortune 500 companies, CEO of Internet Startup, co-owner of an award winning small business and founding member of the industry changing
Walmart and P &G customer teams. So he's super experienced in business and has led organizations ranging from five to 3,500 employees across the consumer packaged goods, telecom, sports marketing, and digital media, which are also very different and been successful at all of them and has been known for identifying and developing top talent. Harry has a track record of driving exceptional business results and has a BA in East Asian history and economics from Vanderbilt.
harryscampbell
I am very excited to be here. Thanks for having me.
Brandy Archie
and an MBA from Indiana University's Kelly School of Business. And we are so excited to have you on, Harry, and thank you for taking the time.
Brandy Archie
Yeah, it's okay now. Before we talk about what we really came here to talk about, I have a question for each of you. This is not too hard, so don't be too scared. My question is, if you could wave a magic wand, what's one thing in your everyday life that you would change to make easier?
harryscampbell
Hmm.
harryscampbell
Am I up first?
Brandy Archie
Yes, you are up first.
harryscampbell
that's easy. What I would do is it would have to do with balance and, flexibility and, health for my wife. She is, managing the side effects of a malignant brain tumor that she had radiated a bunch of years ago and the effects on her and the debilitating physical effects of
changed our lives dramatically. We look forward and we're positive about it, but at the end of the day, it is an easy thing for me to say, I wish that would go away because our plans have had to change dramatically and we live with that all the time.
Emilia Bourland
Mm-hmm.
Brandy Archie
Yeah. I'd give my major want to do that for you too, actually.
Emilia Bourland
Same, same.
harryscampbell
Thank you.
Brandy Archie
Amelia, what you got to wave magic wand for?
Emilia Bourland
Um, okay. Well, after I wave my magic wand for Harry and his wife, then I have a, I have a less noble thing that I would wave my wand for, which is actually, I can't choose between two. I know I would have to pick, but it would either be, um, cooking, which I don't not enjoy, but like as a daily task, it's, it's one of those things I'm like, okay, what are we doing for dinner? I have to feed everyone. Or it would be laundry.
harryscampbell
Relentless.
Brandy Archie
Mm-hmm.
Emilia Bourland
because laundry is the bane of my existence that keeps on giving. It keeps on giving no matter, it is relentless and it will never stop. And so that's something that I would strongly consider for sure. Brandi, what about you?
Brandy Archie
It keeps on giving.
Brandy Archie
Oh, you stole mine. That is exactly what I was going to say. I was literally going to say laundry because that is just like literally the most challenging thing. And then when I heard you talking about it, well, maybe I should be thankful I have clothes to wash. And maybe if I think about it that way, won't be such a pain, but it's a pain and have a lot of little kids. So that's a lot of little clothes.
Emilia Bourland
Did I?
harryscampbell
You
Emilia Bourland
Yeah, you do. My kids are old enough that they can help now. So like they are more responsible for managing their own stuff. And I feel really strongly that like as soon as kids can be helpful with things, they should be helpful with things because one, like we're a team, we're a family, right? And then two, like that's a life skill. And if I can send them out in the world prepared to do their own laundry and not calling me from a college dorm saying like, mom, how much do I put in?
harryscampbell
I love it. That's a great approach.
Brandy Archie
Mm-hmm. Magic wands aside, I guess. When, Harry, I heard just a smidgen of your story about how successful you've been in business, but then how you're taking your business skills and turning them into like educating others and then taking the proceeds from that to donate to charity, I was like, whoa, that's critically amazing. And so I really love it if you'd kind of just like...
harryscampbell
you
harryscampbell
Thank you.
Brandy Archie
Start at the beginning and whatever beginning that you want that to be about like how you came to be at this place right now.
harryscampbell
Wow.
I'm going start kind of halfway through because the first part of it is it's real but it seems like a different world and a different person and a different family ago. My wife was diagnosed in 2004 with a malignant inoperable brain tumor. The bad news was she has a brain tumor.
The good news was it was a grade 2 and not a 3 or a 4, which means it was not as aggressive. She had a craniotomy at UCSF, which is an awesome hospital for open head surgery for a craniotomy. They couldn't remove the tumor because it's a mesh in her motor cortex and it would have paralyzed her left side. So they had the stapler back up. They radiated her.
and told her that based on the biopsy, which they were able to do, a biopsy, that it would probably be in the neighborhood of 10 to 12 years and it would take her. And we set out about life and changing the priorities and doing what you need to do, but also laundry and dinner gets in the way. sometimes you just don't, forget about everything that's going on. And
you just deal with the little stuff. the fascinating thing was despite the time frame that the doctors laid out, Chris, my wife is Christine or Chris Campbell, she was asymptomatic for years. it's an interesting, sometimes I try to explain to people how weird that is because at home we know she's got this ticking thing in her head.
Brandy Archie
Mmm.
harryscampbell
All sorts of bad things can and we expect to happen, but they're not. People see her, they don't realize she's sick. It's this whole kind of mixed stew of good news, bad news, etc., etc. We traveled a lot. We have a 30-year-old and a 28-year-old, and then we have a late life baby who came after she was diagnosed. He's a junior in high school, so he's doing finals. Actually, it's next week.
and then he has a senior year ahead of him and he's a joy and I'm so glad we have him around because that changes the dynamics in the house to a helpful teen. They're not always helpful but he's the classic case of a low maintenance kid so it's awesome. the asymptomatic thing changed about four years ago and Chris started having symptoms and it turns out that the symptoms she's having
Brandy Archie
Mm.
harryscampbell
are as a result of the lesions on her brain from the radiation treatment that she had. So the tumor has not misbehaved yet, which is kind of a miracle. We know it's malignant, but it hasn't grown, which is kind of unheard of. But at the end of the day, her symptoms started up. And she's manifested that. And she has really balance issues pretty dramatically. And she has tremors on the left side of her body, particularly
to the point of they can be pretty debilitating to the point that she can do very little things. She's now progressed, I guess that sounds like a positive word, but unfortunately the bad stuff has progressed to the point where she uses a rollator or a device in the house. So she uses it 24-7 and if she goes anywhere
Everything is a challenge because it takes energy to do anything. And one of the things that I never thought I would say is that I've never been so aware and happy about a government program as I am about the American Disabilities Act. You start to realize how important it is when she either is in her walker or she has a wheelchair.
And when we need to go to a charity event or something, we have to figure out where we can park. We have to figure out where there are curves that are shaved down instead of high curves. We have to figure out where the bathrooms are and whether there are heavy doors that she can push open or she needs help with. Everything becomes a thing. And you don't really worry about it. You don't feel sorry for yourself about it. You just have to pay attention to it.
And it frustrates me sometimes when people don't get it and they illegally park in the one handicapped spot and so all of sudden we gotta try to figure out what we're gonna do. And my guess is that almost nobody would do that on purpose, but their theory is no one's gonna need it so it's okay. And I'm like, we do. We need to volunteer to do that. So the last four years have been much more of a struggle for her. She's still...
harryscampbell
The way I describe it is, she can take care of herself quite well. Everything is slow, it's hard, but she does it. So she doesn't need me until she does. And when she does, sometimes we have a couple of Ossie Doodles who are the love of our lives. 35 pound dogs, they're very exuberant. They are loving.
We can't even imagine life without them. They're about four years old also. But the problem is every once in a while they get tangled up with her and she has balance issues and she might fall down. There are little things that she can't do that I need to be around to do. So I've started to become a caregiver and it's more of the idea of I'm plan B for everything. She can take care of most things. And if we go to visit somebody,
If they have a lot of stairs, she's fine if they have a railing because she can walk up sideways up the stairs and hold on to the railing. But if they don't have a railing, we have to go in the garage or have to go in somewhere else or I have to help out somehow. So it's hard to explain. She doesn't need me yet until she does and then when she does, she does. From a business standpoint, I was in the middle of my career and
Emilia Bourland
Mm-hmm.
harryscampbell
I've done a whole bunch of things. I laugh when someone reads my bio because they're thinking, he can't hold a job.
Brandy Archie
not at all
harryscampbell
He's worked everywhere. I'm, okay, well, thank you. I'm the classic case of a liberal arts undergraduate major that I love to think about leading and running things, even though I'm not an expert and I'm not technical and I don't have a lot of skills that you would think would apply. From a leadership standpoint, that's what I do well.
Emilia Bourland
That is not what I was thinking for the record. That is not what crossed my mind upon reading and hearing your bio.
Brandy Archie
Mm-hmm.
harryscampbell
I was in the middle of my career doing that and all of sudden it became very clear to me after we had lived with this disease for about six years with Chris that I was so stinking tired of supporting her with words only because the words are get hollow after a while. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry you're going through this. I'm so sorry. And I had had jobs.
with a large number of people, and so public speaking was one of the things that I love to do, and I'm a ham. I'm an extrovert. So I started a speaking business, and I like to blurt things out to hold myself accountable. And so what I did was, in front of a whole bunch of people, I said, I'm going to give 100 % of my gross speaking fees to charity in honor of Chris. Not sure why I did that. It just made me feel better. But it also made me feel like I was doing something.
Brandy Archie
Mm.
Brandy Archie
Yeah.
harryscampbell
reporter not just not just using those words so I wrote a book and then a second and a third book they're called the Get Real series I can't believe I don't have them in front of me here but Get Real leadership Get Real culture and Get Real mindset and I wrote them about three four years apart and what I do is I get hired to do 45 minute keynote speeches on the books and I do it to
Brandy Archie
Mm-hmm.
harryscampbell
business organizations, not-for-profits, almost anything. I've done book clubs. I've spoken to a commencement for Grantham University. I've spoken to fifth grade class that was having bullying issues and they asked me to come over. By the way, the toughest audience I've ever had was a bunch of fifth graders, especially because...
Brandy Archie
I bet.
harryscampbell
My son was one of them in the crowd and you can imagine how excited he was to have his dad come over and talk to the class. so I started my journey of speaking and it just fills me with joy to be able to speak, get the money and give it directly the gross amount. A lot of times actually I found out that the best way to do it is to have the people that hire me have them pay the charity directly because then there's never any question where the money goes. Sometimes people go
Emilia Bourland
Yeah, I can imagine.
Emilia Bourland
Mm-hmm.
Brandy Archie
and
harryscampbell
Now how much are you going to keep of this before you send the rest of it to charity? said what part of 100 % do you not understand?
Brandy Archie
Yeah.
harryscampbell
I'm, I'm proud to say that I'm pushing right up against $700,000 that I've raised and donated from my speeches and my book sales. And, that's way beyond what I would have ever thought. And I'm not stopping now, so I'm having fun and it's come at a time when in the last four years what I've Ramped up the speaking even more that.
Brandy Archie
Okay.
harryscampbell
Her symptoms have gotten worse, so I have more of a sense of urgency to do that myself. But I love it. And I'm quite good at it. I can make fun of myself better than almost anybody can. I can make you laugh. I can make you cry. Because what every one of my speeches are, very simply, are my experiences. Some good, some bad, the lessons I've learned and how I've done it. And I figured out how to weave humor in to make people pay attention.
and then very simply have a message that resonates so when they leave they're going to be better leaders as a result of the session we've had and I love it.
Emilia Bourland
So I have a question for you. You know, you have had an incredibly successful career in business and done a lot of different things and now have a very successful charitable business, essentially speaking, and as an author. But you've also had to pivot into this role of caregiver. And I'm
harryscampbell
Thank
Emilia Bourland
interested in how that has changed maybe the way that you approach things or that you think about things.
harryscampbell
It changed things dramatically. That's a very insightful question.
harryscampbell
One of the biggest challenges I've had in my life prior to brain tumor was patience. And I'm very impatient. And I've made some snap decisions before I should have because I get so impatient I'm ready to move on. It is clearly one of my issues that I need to continue to work on. And I never thought I was going to have the opportunity, I'll say the good news, I hope, the opportunity to practice.
Brandy Archie
you
harryscampbell
and work on my patients as I am as a caregiver. Because you can't solve all the problems. In fact, most people, including my wife, don't want help unless they need help. And they'll let you know when they need help. But the human side of you wants to say, how can I help? What can I do? Scoot around her to get the door and open this. Do this, do this, do this, do this for her. And
Brandy Archie
Yeah.
harryscampbell
It's not contentious, but at the end of the day, she even has to remind me, and I'm here every day, I got this unless I need help, please don't. And someone like a friend that she might see once a week or every couple of weeks doesn't have any perspective on that. And so it's, the patience thing tested me and has made me a better person, but it's been very, very hard. So that's probably the simplest way I would answer that question.
Brandy Archie
Mm-hmm.
Brandy Archie
you
harryscampbell
It made me a better leader and I'm officially retired now. I retired about six years ago. So I overlapped the last six or eight years of my life with the speaking. And now I do speaking only and I don't have another job. Speaking used to be my side hustle. Now it's my core. And I am my last six or eight years of business. I was better because of all the things that I learned.
as a caregiver, but they were really hard lessons.
Brandy Archie
Yeah, definitely not something that you like the way you would have wanted to teach yourself how to be patient, but interesting thing to like pull from it and continue to be working on. So, and like we try to make sure that we're speaking to family caregivers and providing really excellent information that they might need now or might need in the future. And so with that in mind, like,
harryscampbell
You know, I love giving blank reactions.
Brandy Archie
and having had this journey and continuing on it right now, what's maybe something you wish you would have known earlier on in your caregiver journey that you know now that you would want to let the rest of our audience know?
harryscampbell
what comes to my mind. I'm going to give you exactly what came to my mind when you started saying that. I thought about this, and this is going to seem kind of weird, but I think I can connect it back. When I first started doing some caregiving for Chris, and also when her disease came on, I was a leader, but one thing I had forgotten and I learned later and I emphasize and talk about it now is there's three levels of leadership that I pay attention to.
Leading yourself is a foundation and that's the one that I didn't appreciate enough. If you're going to be successful in life or in business or as a caregiver, you have to be able to lead yourself because why should anybody ever follow you or pay attention to you if you can't lead yourself if you have words that don't match your actions and your tone. You can call that hypocritical, whatever the term is, but you need to be able to lead yourself.
Fundamentally and foundationally because that means you're probably willing to be vulnerable and you're striving to be more consistent as a leader. But if you can be lead yourself really well, then there's a second level of leadership that has to do with leadership of people. And I'm not talking about direct reports. That's fine. That's all good. But some of the best people I've run into lead sideways, they lead up and they lead down and they have what I believe is influence and impact. That is my definition of leadership.
is people that have influence and impact. It doesn't matter to me how big your budget is, whether you have zero or a thousand people that work for you. If you have influence and impact, you're a leader. So you've got this foundation of leading yourself. Once you figure that out, getting up and moving up the pyramid to leading the people around you is actually much easier because you've got the foundation. Then the third one at the top that I use in my speeches in the business community is leading the business.
yourself leading people leading the business and that's the fun one because then you've got people all marching in the same direction you've got the good culture you've got people that aren't complaining what they're doing is working on what you want them to work on and that's the fun part and I must admit what we have gone through as a family and personally has helped me in those ways and when I went to write the first book and I laid out that pyramid I'd never I talked about it
harryscampbell
kind of, but not in the way that I just did. And it solidified it and it makes me so happy. And I talk about it with almost anybody, if I do a one-on-one mentoring or I do a speech, the idea of leading yourself, leading the people around you, and then leading the business or leading life can be if it's not business. And that to me has been an amazing transformation with regard to my ability to be successful in the business world and better.
at home with my wife.
Emilia Bourland
One of the things that I really like notice as you're talking is, you know, obviously,
It would be great if this thing were Chris with Chris was not happening. Like that would be ideal, but, it's hard. And, and you recognize that like, are going to be challenges with this, but I keep noticing that you are able to find the positives and find the opportunities in there as well. And I don't mean business opportunities. mean like opportunities for personal growth and for.
for like making something out of a negative situation that can be better. How important do you do that consciously and how important do you think that is to both you but also to Chris as you both move through this journey together?
harryscampbell
The first thing I'm going to say is thank you. Because that felt very good when you said that because it's something that I just do. To answer your question directly, it is more woven into my personality and has been my whole life. In my family, I was the pleaser. You don't get to choose your role in your family.
It chooses you. could be kind of dictated a bit by birth order or Lord knows other, any other factors with regard to your family. I'm the pleaser, which means that I read people well and I want conflict avoidance is the bad way to say it. Conflict minimization is another way of saying it. And I'm incredibly optimistic about life, almost too much so.
because I'm very mischievous and I think funny things and even when the business world can be falling apart and a competitor is tearing us up or something's happening, don't get pessimistic very easily. Sometimes to a fault I'm optimistic, but that is my personality. And I think what you've seen is I've woven that into my relationship with my wife and with the disease she has.
I'm glad I had that because if didn't, think I would have had lot more darker days. I'd still be okay, but I wouldn't be as okay as I am if I didn't have that optimism, which is very, very important. One of the things I forgot to mention, and this just shows you the intelligence and savvy of my wife. She was deciding whether to have a craniotomy because there was, we were getting diagnoses from around the country.
And some of the best brain surgeons in the whole US were voting, do a craniotomy. And others were saying, don't do a needle biopsy. Do this, do that. She had to decide. And she decided to have a craniotomy because one of the foremost surgeons said, you know what? You're in your early 30s. If we can manage this. They're always a little nervous to expose the brain. They said, don't worry. We do this all the time. We do it.
harryscampbell
once or twice a day it's what we do you'll be fine and we need to have the info of being able to look at this thing and figure it out instead of just look at the x-rays or the MRIs. We went to a dive bar in San Francisco and we were drinking beer and she decided to have the surgery and the name of the bar we were in was Louie's. She decided to name her tumor Louie.
First of all, because we were in the bar in San Francisco. And second of all, she said, you know, we want to be living with Louie for a long time. If they can't remove it, we want this to be a long run. And it's a lot easier to trash talk and deal with Louie than it is to use the term tumor. Our kids weren't that old. We wanted to be able to have engagement with them about it. And so we can put t-shirts that talk about get rid of Louie, and we can trash talk it. And I thought that at the time, I didn't.
think it was good or bad. just thought, okay, she's doing that. In hindsight, it was brilliant. More people should do that.
Emilia Bourland
I like that you guys trash talk Louie.
Brandy Archie
Deservedly.
Emilia Bourland
That's, and I like that this happened in a bar before surgery. I feel like you might be my kind of people.
you
harryscampbell
Maybe.
Brandy Archie
So one of the things that you mentioned is that the money from your speaking goes to charities. But I haven't heard you talk about the charities. Is there more than one? Is there one particular that you want to highlight? Talk about why you decided that money to go to.
harryscampbell
It's primarily one, it's called Head for the Cure. So think head as in brain tumors. It's based in Kansas City. was crazy irony. It was founded by a friend of mine, Matt Anthony, who lost his brother to a brain tumor in 03. Chris and I supported him in the, they ran, they did a 5K in 03 and we as a family supported Matt. Six months later, Chris was diagnosed.
Brandy Archie
Mm.
harryscampbell
So we supported the first Head for the Cure event and run and fundraising 5K at Corporate Woods. Six months later, all of sudden this became more personal. And we've been supporting that organization since then. I'm on the board now. was on the board briefly. Having both of us on the board doesn't make any sense. So I carry the mail that way. But Head for the Cure, which now has about 10 or 12 people on staff.
Brandy Archie
you
harryscampbell
and raises three to four million dollars a year gross and uses the proceeds to give grants and to fund clinical trials with a stated goal of helping to find a cure. And I love the fact that it's here. It was started by a friend of mine that didn't have before we had any personal relationship with this disease. Now here we go and let's get let's get after it.
Emilia Bourland
so first of all, thank you for sharing your story and your wisdom. I have two questions for you to kind of wrap up here. The first, and I'll ask them both at the same time. You can choose which order you want to answer it in. The first is if there was like one message that you had for other caregivers who are, and other families that are listening to this and need something to take away.
Like what would that message be? so not a big ask at all. Don't worry about it. And then the second one is where can people find out more about hiring you as a speaker to help support this great cause? And then any other information that you'd want folks to have about supporting the charity, the foundation.
harryscampbell
you
harryscampbell
I'm pondering, so I'm very comfortable. I'm very comfortable with silence. If you're going to be a good executive, it's a really great trait because someone will feel the air. One message.
Emilia Bourland
I love it. Ponder away.
harryscampbell
in my third book.
get real mindset the entire 45 minutes and the book is that my books are 100 pages double space by the way so if it takes you more than an hour and 15 minutes to read it you need to go back to the slow learners club
They're very simple. But that book about Get Real Mindset talks about three things that I think you should have as a mindset. And that goes directly to this message. And it's the middle one. But it's a three message book. The first one is being a tractor. And when I say that, I literally mean be someone that people want to be around. Because what happens is good things can come to you. You're not going to get things that you shouldn't get. Like if you're trying to raise money for a
a business you're not going to get money you shouldn't get but you'll get meetings because people want to help you. They might say, Brandy, I know the vice president of Cerner, I'm going to set you up with her, whatever it is, they help you. So be an attractor. The third one is live to learn. And I'm coming back to the second one because it answers your question. And I just love being curious and try to learn and try to understand something different or new, whether it's a skill set or knowledge every day.
We're big trivia people around here. at dinner, we always have trivia questions and we're kind of battling it out mentally and having fun doing it. So that, Live to Learn. So it's a book, first one, Being a Tractor, third one is Lift Her, and the middle one is literally Embrace the Crookedness. And I use a play on words there. The crookedness there has nothing to do with integrity. has to do with the crookedness of life.
Emilia Bourland
Mm.
harryscampbell
When you walk outside you might slip on the front step, fall and hit your head and your life is changed. You might have a flat tire and you miss a meeting you wish you hadn't missed and because of that you don't get a job you should have gotten. I don't know. But at the end of the day the words are very straightforward. Embrace the crookedness. And I always said this and now all of sudden we're having to do it. Life's got crooked for us. Boy did it get crooked. People would say, Harry had a great job and paid all this money and...
Got to have all this power and have fun and go to the masters and the soup bowl and all that. And then you could look at it go, yeah, well, his wife also got a brain tumor. She's 55 years old and she's going to be using a walker or a wheelchair the rest of her life. Go ahead and figure out what you want, how you want to deal with it. But embrace the crookedness. So what I say is, don't be pessimistic, but just understand things aren't going to work out the way you want them to.
very often, perfectly. Embrace that idea and in business the way I describe it is sometimes being the people that handle adversity and are willing to get after it quicker and more aggressively are the ones that win because you're going to have adversity whether it's a recession or whether it's a boom time in the business world. Same thing happens personally.
I was 58 years old and had never taken any meds and I had no problems other than kid problems like a broken arm. But then since then I've had a couple of different scares with my heart. I was diagnosed with Parkinson's about a year ago. I don't have time for that so I don't deal with that right now. Our family's got enough stuff, they don't need me worried about that and I'm not.
But at end of the day, you have to embrace the idea that things are going to be changing. in fact, think of that as a way for you to learn something new, to potentially see around a corner you wouldn't have seen, have relationships with you you might not have had, and potentially have more fun and more joy and more faith than you did as a result of it. So I would say the one message I would have after I've given you a four minute
harryscampbell
answer is embrace the crookedness of life and make it yours and bring joy and optimism still without being Pollyanna's because you can do that and if you do the cool part about it is everything is better individually family wise and potentially work wise if you're still working you know I've never had that question before and when I get a question like that and answer it
At the end, I start processing it and I'm very happy with what I said and I hope when I get that question again, I answer it the same way, but I'm not sure what the hell I said exactly.
Emilia Bourland
I can relate to that.
Brandy Archie
Are you going to be able to repeat it? Harry, we really appreciate you. We appreciate you being here and sharing. so tell people how they can connect with you more if they would like to.
harryscampbell
probably not.
harryscampbell
That was the second piece, Two things. First of all, the charity Head for the Cure is Head for the Cure Foundation, but the website is headforthecure.org. And as I said, it's a Kansas City-based organization that's doing everything they can to raise money, to try to fund trials and fund brain cancer awareness and to find a cure. And we love the organization and everybody in it. So headforthecure.org.
Brandy Archie
Yeah.
harryscampbell
For me specifically, I would love to come and speak for anybody. I have my own website, Harry S. Campbell. And in there, there are some testimonials. are more explanation of our story with me and Chris and our family. There is ways to buy my books. You could also go to Amazon. in a way, and also directly into booking me or
having a negotiation with me about coming in to speak. Because I am set free with regard to my speaking and my books, because I'm not trying to make a living off of this, and as a result, I have my set fees that I get to speak, but if some organization can't afford that, they can afford to pay lower because I'm doing it for charity, a lot of times I can say yes. If I was running a business, I couldn't do that because
Brandy would yell at me because I charged her $10,000 for a speech and some dude that she knows that works at somewhere else, charged $3,000 and then you get yourself in trouble from a strategy and a pricing standpoint. It doesn't exist. I'm a one person staff. It is what my organization is and how I operate and would be loved to do anything I could to further our cause, raise more money, and also make an impact on the audiences that I talk to because I get great marks on them. The simplicity of the messages that I bring, like embrace the crookedness, really matter to people, and I love doing that.
Emilia Bourland
Well, Harry, thank you so much again for being on. We will make sure to link both of those websites in the show notes. whether you are watching this on YouTube or if you are listening wherever you listen to your podcast, you should be able to scroll down through those show notes and find those links, both for the charity as well as for Harry's website itself. If you enjoyed this episode, please take a second to like, subscribe, go back, download some other episodes, leave comments because those are really the best ways for us to help expand our reach and make sure that more people who need this information can find it and get access to it. Until next time, we'll see you right back here on Care Lab. Bye.
Brandy Archie
Bye, everybody.
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