Hot Takes: Top 5 Rehab Mistakes

Summary

This Carelab episode breaks down the top five mistakes to avoid during rehab and how mindset plays a critical role in recovery. Emilia and Brandy emphasize that progress isn’t just about therapy sessions—it’s about attitude, purpose, participation, and consistency. From staying motivated and setting personal goals to putting in work outside therapy and focusing on progress over perfection, they highlight practical ways patients and caregivers can maximize recovery outcomes.

 

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Transcript

Brandy Archie 
Bye everybody, welcome to Care Lab.

Emilia Bourland 
Hello, how is everyone today? How, okay, the listeners cannot answer me. Hi, how are you today, Brandy?

Brandy Archie 
I am great, because I can actually answer you. And it's just us today, but we wanted to lean into some of the content that everybody has been more excited about, which is like getting the behind the scenes on rehab, which we have spent our whole careers doing. So today we're going to talk about the top five things you as a patient or caregiver should not do when you're in rehab. And...

Emilia Bourland
Mm-hmm.

Emilia Bourland 
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Brandy Archie 
Yeah, that way it can make everybody's life easier and better and you can get out of there and get back to life.

Emilia Bourland 
Yeah, I'm excited to talk about this because obviously like, you know, in rehab, you need to have a great team. But also, I think something that people don't realize is that the most important member of the team is the person who is there getting rehab, right? And the support system that's around them. talking really specifically about that, I'm excited to do and I'm sure we're to be soapboxing here a little bit.

Brandy Archie 
Yeah, should be.

Brandy Archie
A lot of it. mean, isn't that what this whole podcast is?

Emilia Bourland 
So we just started a podcast so we could soapbox and no one can tell us not to. So there, you're welcome. You're welcome.

Brandy Archie 
Hahaha!

Brandy Archie
You're welcome. But you could tell us in the comments and we'll deal with it. We can deal with it.

Emilia Bourland 
Yeah, yeah, I mean, probably. Okay. All right. Let's go. Let's go. Let's do this.

Brandy Archie 
Okay, so, but these are things I think that would be really important if you are in rehab now or in the future if you need to go to rehab, because rehab is actually a really good resource and tool if we can maximize our time there. So tell me what is your first one on these five things that we should not do list.

Emilia Bourland 
Okay, first one is have a negative attitude. I realize that can be a tough one because if you are in rehab,

Brandy Archie 
Brandy Archie 
You know, have your best day.

Emilia Bourland 
No, something bad happened. Whatever it was, no one is in rehab because things are going swimmingly, because everything's going super well, right? Like something has happened that's caused a serious life change. It's totally, I want to say obviously, totally normal and okay to have lots of different feelings about that, to be sad, to be angry, to have all those things. I'm not saying don't feel your feelings.

Brandy Archie 
Mm-hmm.

Brandy Archie 
Mm-hmm.

Emilia Bourland 
What I do, the point that I want to make though, is that of the thousands of people that I have treated over the course of my career, I think that the number one determinant of how well people do is their attitude as they're approaching things. Because you know, Brandy, you can look at someone on paper, you can look at someone's chart and be like, this person is this is rough, this is a mess.

Brandy Archie
Mm-hmm. This is rough.

Emilia Bourland 
Right? you, and, you never seen them before and you're prepared to walk into a mess and you walk in and this person looks great. They're ready to go. They, they've got a smile on their face. They're like, yes, let's, let's go do this thing. And on the other hand, you can see a person who on paper looks like they've got everything going for like, we should, should be. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Let's we, we got this. Let's get this done.

Brandy Archie 
Mm-hmm.

Brandy Archie 
Yeah, we should be pretty good. Yeah, a little bit of work here and get them back out of there.

Emilia Bourland
and you walk in and it's a completely different scenario, right? And so I think that the, as hard as it can be some days, the willingness to get up and say, yep, we're gonna do this today, even though I'm angry, even though I'm sad, even though this sucks. Yes, it sucks. If you're in rehab, something sucks, right? It does. That's why you're there. But the willingness to say, you know what?

Brandy Archie 
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Brandy Archie 
Totally, that's why you're there. Yeah.

Emilia Bourland 
I'm going to do this anyway, I'm going to get through this and I'm going to come out better on the other side makes a huge difference. like whatever you got to do to get yourself in that head space that you are that you're going to go in and you're going to fight. That is so important.

Brandy Archie 
Yeah, and I'm going to take us backwards for just a minute because we talk about rehab very candidly and casually, but rehab can have very many different meanings to people. so specifically we're talking about like if you are have had an acute or a new thing happened and you're stabilized and now you're either going to inpatient rehab where you're getting three hours of therapy a day or you're going to a skilled nursing facility where you're getting rehabilitation for a few weeks and then going home is the goal.

Emilia Bourland 
Yeah.

Mm.

Brandy Archie 
That's the kind of rehab we're talking about. And the same, think is true for that first one, which is, think, I don't know what your other ones are, but that one is probably the most important one is true in both of those settings is that your attitude towards it makes all the difference. And the thing I would just add to that, and I think I'm going to level this up for more than just attitude because how, what, what makes the difference between somebody, two people having the same set of diagnoses and problems.

One choosing to have a better positive attitude towards it and somebody else Leaning into the problematic nature of it. I actually think it's purpose It's like what the reason is that they have for going through all this whether that is It's almost growing season I need to get back to my garden or I need to walk down the aisle for my grandkid or whatever Like if people have like a reason I gotta get home take care of my cat It don't even have to be huge or when people have a reason

then they often have the motivation to try to overcome the disparaging feelings that you might have about the challenging situation that's there. I actually did a whole TED talk about this, so I feel passionately about it. But yeah, I think the purpose is also tied to your ability to have joy in a challenging situation and not just be masking it, right?

Emilia Bourland 
Yeah, yeah, 100%. I'm really glad you said that. One, because obviously, as occupational therapists, that's what we're geared towards anyway. And two, because it leads really well into another one of the top five mistakes to avoid in rehab, which is when the therapist walks in and says, hey, how you doing? What do you want to work on today? Do not default to whatever you want to do.

Brandy Archie 
Awesome. Okay.

Emilia Bourland 
Because guess what? I mean, I'm gonna give you something to do. We can find something to do. It'll be good, it'll be productive, but nothing is as powerful as talking about what you want out of, not just out of rehab, but out of your life. What are your goals? What do you wanna get back to? Because then we can actually tailor your treatment. We can tailor.

Brandy Archie 
yeah, that's a good one.

Emilia Bourland 
the specific intervention. can tailor your whole plan towards meeting those specific goals. So even though it feels like, know, well, the therapist is the expert, I'm just gonna let them do what they think needs to be done. And sometimes the therapist may come and be like, hey, we really need to work on X, Y, or Z today. Is that cool with you? Right? Like that's gonna happen. But defaulting to whatever you wanna do, that's fine.

Brandy Archie 
Mm-hmm.

Emilia Bourland 
It's going to make for a definitely a less interesting session for you and probably a less helpful session for you because it's not going to be about what your specific needs and goals are.

Brandy Archie 
And if it's not about your specific needs and goals, then you're gonna be just slightly less motivated to do it to the best of your ability. And I'm not saying that people are intentionally not doing a good job or not working hard. It's just human, literally human nature. A good example is when I was in school and the difference between going to OT school versus just being in college was that.

Emilia Bourland 
Exactly.

Emilia Bourland 
Mm-hmm.

Brandy Archie 
OT school was actually harder, but I didn't feel harder because I liked all the stuff that I was learning, right? And then putting forth that effort didn't feel like effort because I liked it, you know? And so I was motivated to do it as opposed to like the random math class that I had to take in college, which I had no connection to, right? And so the same is true in everything else, right?

Emilia Bourland 
I think I took one math class in in undergraduate by the way, besides statistics. That's all I had to take. It should have been called like math for future presidents or something like that. I don't think presidents do that. Anyway, I don't know. don't know. There was was a anyway. Yeah, it wasn't the thing. Sorry, continue. Go ahead. I digress.

Brandy Archie 
That's all I took. That's applied math.

Brandy Archie 
I derailed us with the math.

Brandy Archie 
So yes, I think that's such a great do not do like tell us what it is also That's way more motivated for me as a therapist if you don't have a thought about it then then just do it for us because you tell me like I like this thing Great. Now my brain is clicking like how can I simulate that create that make you get back to doing that? And it just makes all the things just lot more interesting because they're like tied

Emilia Bourland 
Yes!

Brandy Archie 
to the things that you like or need to do. And I also don't want to waste your time, right? Like if putting socks on is not a thing that you do, or you don't care if your wife still just does it for you and she also doesn't care, let's say that, then I don't need to work on that with you. I don't care. I only care about stuff that you care about. But if you don't tell me you care about anything, then we're gonna just be pulling stuff out of a hat. And that's just not as great for your recovery.

Emilia Bourland 
Right.

Emilia Bourland 
100%, 100%. Okay, are you ready for number three?

Brandy Archie 
I am ready. What's number three?

Emilia Bourland 
Okay, I want people to hang on here with me because when you hear the words that come out of my mouth

It might, it might feel a little controversial, but let me finish.

Brandy Archie 
Ooh, okay. What's the hot take today?

Emilia Bourland 
Let me finish. So it is do not put it all on God. And I say this because, and Brandy, I think you've had this experience too. How many rooms have you walked into? I said, okay, mom, let's go. It's time to go. Let's get up. Let's take a shower. Let's do X, Y, Z. It's time for therapy. And someone says, no, I'm not getting up.

Brandy Archie 
Emilia Bourland 
If God wants me to get better, I'll get better.

Brandy Archie 
that's interesting. I don't think I've ever had anybody say that to me.

Emilia Bourland 
really?

Brandy Archie 
Yeah, I don't think anybody's ever said that.

Emilia Bourland 
That is, wow, that's so, that's really interesting. I want to do like a study into that or something because, well, you know, I spent the vast majority of my career I have spent practicing in Texas. Really common. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know if that's so interesting. Okay, well, let's assume that that happens other places than the specific places that I have worked in Texas.

Brandy Archie 
huh.

Emilia Bourland 
But okay, here's, here's, say that like, obviously, if, if you are a person of faith, God is an important part of your, of your recovery of your strength of your process. I am not taking anything away from that. think that is important. And it really, really can be incredibly helpful for people actually to have that foundation, to have that faith, to have that baseline and say like, like, there's a higher power that's going to help me through this. But

Brandy Archie 
Yeah.

Brandy Archie 
Mm-hmm.

Brandy Archie 
Mm-hmm.

Emilia Bourland 
that higher power is not gonna get your butt out of bed. And in order for you to get better, you gotta get that booty out of bed, okay? And so here's how you might reframe it for yourself is, you know, sometimes God doesn't always do all the work for us, right? Sometimes God gives us the opportunity to be with the right person or the right place or wherever it is to get that work done.

Brandy Archie 
You gotta get out of bed.

Brandy Archie 
Mm-hmm.

Emilia Bourland 
So when someone comes into that room and they say, hey, it's time to get up now, maybe that's the opportunity that's being extended to you there. Reach out and grab it. Get out of the bed, do the work. And then, and continue to let your faith carry you and support you and lead you on your way and guide you. That is an incredibly powerful thing to do. But it can't.

But you've still got to take that step. You've got to be willing to get out of bed and do that work because it's not, your body will not miraculously get stronger on its own staying in that bed. And it's just what it is.

Brandy Archie 
That is so interesting. If somebody, since I said nobody's ever said it to me, but if they had, you know what I would say?

Emilia Bourland 
What I just said?

Brandy Archie 
No, I would say, no, what I would say to them. No, I would say, you are drowning and you are praying to God to save you. And I am the ship. We are here to save you. This is what I mean. This the I am very devout Christian and I believe very strongly that there are miracles and God does save and protect. And also God and science are not two separate things. He created science.

And so the science says you have to get your body moving in order for it to move. And all these chain reactions happen. And those are not random. I think those are created by design. And so if I can be the one to help facilitate that initiation, great. Then God is sending me here to help you get the answer you need, which is healing your body. And let's do that together, right? Like that you can't be drowning and asking God for help and a boat come by and you say, God will come get me. God is like, yo, I'm sending you a boat.

Get in the boat so you can stop drowning. Like, this is what this is for. So yeah, the two things go together. So interesting.

Emilia Bourland 
Yep. There you go.

Emilia Bourland 
Okay, I cannot believe that you never heard that before. Now, I wonder also, you hear that, I spent a lot of time working in acute care and ICU too. And that's definitely like typically where I would hear that. Now I know you've been...

Brandy Archie 
Mm-mm.

Brandy Archie 
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Brandy Archie 
people probably feel more close to death. And also, it's much harder at that stage to feel like even just sitting up. So like, you, I understand. Yeah.

Emilia Bourland 
Mm.

Emilia Bourland 
Yeah, yeah. Well, and by the time you get to rehab, like, you've got to be recommended for rehab because you can do three hours of therapy a day and all this other stuff. yeah, that, no, that that kind of makes sense. But I'm like, what? I you know what, if there are other therapists listening to this, I would love to hear in the comments how often you have come across this helpful ways that you have that you have.

handled it that would be just a poll. could we just get a poll? am i crazy?

Brandy Archie 
You're probably not crazy. For the most part, I think you're not crazy. But it probably is very regional and cultural.

Emilia Bourland
Hahaha!

Mostly. Could be. Yeah, could be for sure. Okay, now I have to, now I'm all off track. I have to look at my list.

Brandy Archie 
Okay, what's the list say number four is? We're on number four.

Emilia Bourland 
Number four is thinking that your time with the therapist is all it's going to take.

Brandy Archie 
that's a great one.

Emilia Bourland 
Mm-hmm and this really applies to Any anytime you're getting therapy anywhere, right? I would say that actually Rehab is the one time where you know, you're getting three hours of therapy a day. You're probably so pooped after that There's not a whole lot else you can do but The the concept still applies that your therapist is there to help coach you guide you Give you the tools that you need

Brandy Archie 
not just rehab.

Brandy Archie 
Yeah.

Emilia Bourland 
in order to get better. But just let's say like an hour or two hours a week with your therapist, you're seeing someone outpatient, if you're seeing them in home health, something like that, that's not gonna be enough to actually get you where you want to be. You have to still put in the work outside of therapy in order to achieve your goals. And it is work, right? There's nothing magic about

your therapist that just makes it so you can suddenly do things. Unless, I will say, unless you're working with an OT who gives you a tool or shows you a trick or, that can feel, that can feel like magic, right? Cause you can walk into a session, say I'm never going to do this again and walk out having done it for the first time in years, right? And that's like, I live for that moment actually. so that can feel like magic, for the most part, this is work.

Brandy Archie 
That can't be magic. It feels like magic.

Brandy Archie 
Maximum assistance, independently, yeah.

Emilia Bourland 
Rehabilitation is work. And so we have to, you're gonna have to keep doing the work outside of therapy. I think a helpful way to do that though, is to talk to your therapist again about like, what are your goals? What do you wanna do? And what are ways that you can keep up your rehab that you will actually enjoy, besides just doing an exercise program, right?

Brandy Archie 
Mm-hmm.

Oh, totally. mean, because the first thing I was thinking was like, repetition is so important for rehabilitation. We're rehabilitating. You know how we got habilitated? We went through development as children, right? And that take, how many times does it take for your kid to stand up on the table, not on the table, pull up with the table before they like learn how to stand on their own?

Emilia Bourland 
Sometimes they stand up on the table and then you have you have to them to get off, but you

Brandy Archie 
Yeah, more times than I want to admit. I'm actually talking about the good kind, they're learning how to walk. Like it takes all this, you have to have all these repetitions in order to learn these things and for your muscles to do the thing, for your brain to learn how to do things. And when we rehabilitate, we have to go backwards in that process and do those repetitions again, whether that's exercises to improve your strength, your muscles, or if it's a repetition of an activity because we forgot how to do it.

Emilia Bourland 
Yes. Right.

Brandy Archie 
something happened in our brain and we don't have that connection point anymore. Or just like, think about how many times your lungs inflate and deflate every day as you breathe and take breaths. And if your lungs get injured, you've got to increase that, that's a muscle too. You have to do the repetition. So whatever the reason for your problem, it all requires repetition. We talk about it a lot for neurology. So like brain injuries and stroke, and like they require a lot of repetitions to get things back to create those connections again.

Emilia Bourland 
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Brandy Archie 
But it also applies in every context that has to do with their muscles, which is literally everything else. So finding ways to put that into your day outside of therapy are super important because if you were not in a hospital bed, you would be up doing stuff in your life and those are repetitions. I think we do it so much we don't think about it, but like every time you walk across the house to go do one thing to another, you're taking more steps. Those are repetitions. When you're sitting in your chair,

or laying in hospital bed because they don't let you get up, you're losing all of that opportunity, right? And so you've got to find ways to pull that back out. Does that make sense?

Emilia Bourland 
Exactly. And often like the best opportunity is just is participating in your own life. Right? Not saying, okay, well, we worked on this skill. We worked on get my shoes and socks on and off at therapy. At home, I'm still going to have so and so do it for me. If that's really a goal of yours, if that's something you really, really want to be able to do on your own, like you said earlier, Brandy, if it's not, then by all means, you should tell your therapist and stop working on that stuff in therapy, because that's a waste of everyone's time. But

Brandy Archie 
Exactly.

Brandy Archie 
You gotta do it.

Brandy Archie 
Yep.

Emilia Bourland 
If something is a goal, have to continue to struggle through it. We have to continue to participate in it. And the best, most rewarding, and most effective therapy that there is, is just participating in your daily life and starting to do those things. As long as you can participate in a way that is safe, or that is supported so that you can do that, like, that's it. Keep at it. And that's where those repetitions come from, right? Because if you want to feed yourself, you know,

then the best repetition is doing that motion, is feeding yourself. Exactly, exactly. You can do a bicep curl with a weight and that's gonna help you get stronger, but creating that motion, again, particularly when we're talking about like neuro rehab, doing that functional skill, it's really, it's the best there is. So, know, keeping in mind that the time with a therapist is your time to learn what you need to do.

Brandy Archie 
Bringing your hand to your mouth a hundred times during a meal.

Emilia Bourland 
The magic happens in the work that you do outside of therapy. And even in like an inpatient rehab context, you might only be there for a week or two weeks. You think your recovery is only gonna take a week or two weeks? Almost never, almost never. These are marathons that we're running, not sprints. And so continuing to do that work, continuing to...

Brandy Archie 
Mm-hmm.

Brandy Archie 
No. Right.

Brandy Archie 
Mm-hmm.

Emilia Bourland 
follow those recommendations, continuing to advocate for yourself to get more therapy if you need it. These are the really important skills to get people to help achieve those long-term goals.

Brandy Archie
And to simplify all the words we just said, like the faster you get back to doing our everyday life, the more repetition you automatically put in. Like, so if you don't take nothing else from this number four one, just like the quicker you get back to doing your own stuff in whatever capability you can do it safe, like you said, that is what helps you get better.

Emilia Bourland 
You're so good at that.

Emilia Bourland 
Mm-hmm.

Emilia Bourland 
Okay, and I think this leads into number five really well. Okay, so number five, the number five mistake to avoid is focusing on perfection instead of progress.

Brandy Archie 
Great, what is number five?

Brandy Archie
yes!

Emilia Bourland 
It is so easy to get into this headspace where you're just comparing your performance now to your performance before your illness or your injury or whatever happened, right? It's really easy to get into that headspace and get really down on yourself and say, I'm never going to make it to develop that, that, that can't do attitude that we were talking earlier. Avoid that.

Brandy Archie 
Yeah.

Brandy Archie 
Mm-hmm.

Emilia Bourland 
You can't compare the before and after to where you are right now. Focus on the wins that you get. And when you focus on the wins that you're getting, it can help you develop that can-do attitude. Like, look what I can do today that I couldn't do yesterday. yesterday, took two people to help me with that transfer. Today, I did it with one person and a sliding board.

Brandy Archie 
Mm-hmm.

Brandy Archie 
Yeah.

Emilia Bourland 
That's huge progress, you know? Yesterday, I couldn't pick up that cup. Today, with a little bit of assistance, I was able to pick up that cup and I gave myself a drink for the first time in a month. That's a huge

Brandy Archie 
That is huge progress.

Brandy Archie 
but I'm not feeding myself all the time and I can't go cook a meal and you know, what about that?

Emilia Bourland 
That is a recipe. That's a recipe for a can't do attitude is what is what that is. You know, that's a recipe for feeling bad about yourself, for be for limiting your own progress, for having for making an already hard experience even harder. So as tempting as that can be and as easy and natural as it is to do those comparisons, comparisons, have to be really intentional about

Brandy Archie 
Mm-hmm.

Emilia Bourland 
not doing it and instead focus on the progress, the incremental progress that you're making every day. Because just like you said, Brandy, we don't expect our kids to be born, you know, and one day they crawl and the next day they walk and the next day they run and the next day they skip. Like we don't and the next day they do calculus. We don't expect that because we know that it's about incremental steps and incremental development.

Brandy Archie 
Mm-mm.

Brandy Archie 
Yeah.

Emilia Bourland 
If we can think about it in that way and give ourselves maybe that same grace and patience that we offer to the people that we love around us, like be kind to yourself. Give yourself grace, give yourself compassion, give yourself patience, give yourself credit for the progress that you're making and then just keep at the work. And before you know it, you will have come so far by not focusing on that huge giant picture, but just

one step ahead at you every time.

Brandy Archie 
Yep. Do you know what I think? I have seen how people snap out of that can't do comparison attitude the most.

Emilia Bourland 
Hmm.

Brandy Archie
going to the gym, to the rehab gym. And so like, I've had so many experiences in which a person felt like, man, my life is over. I can't do anything anymore. I mean, they have serious issues going on, right? I can't ever go back to doing blah, blah, blah. And only thinking about the things that they cannot do right now, not even envisioning what they could do in the future. And those people often don't wanna go eat in the dining hall with everybody else. They're really worried about how people are gonna think about them.

And then at some point you finally break through to them. like, Hey, we're doing our rehab in the gym today. Like we're getting out of this room. We're going to the gym. And as soon as you see other people's challenges, maybe you have had a stroke and can't use your right side. But this other person over here has lost two legs. And this other person over here has these massive tremors. And even though all these things are challenging and everybody's in rehab for different reasons, but for also terrible, equally terrible reasons, it's interesting to see people be like, Oh,

Emilia Bourland 
Mm-hmm.

Brandy Archie 
but I'm not like that. And that would be really hard if I couldn't do that. And it just puts your thing into a little bit more perspective. And it feels a little bit more manageable because you see that everybody else is struggling on something else too. So if we're struggling with comparing ourselves to our previous selves, sometimes it helps to see what everybody else is dealing with and then get a little bit of a gut check about like, okay, I can probably do my thing.

Emilia Bourland 
Mm-hmm.

Brandy Archie 
I understand mostly because you understand it even to the small bit of like the few days that you've experienced whatever it is Like it still feels like something you know as opposed to something you don't and then it can give a little bit more like Okay, at least I'm not doing dealing with that. So maybe I can learn how to do

Emilia Bourland 
Yeah, and also like, think you can take inspiration from the people around you and build community with the people around you and see that like, yes, everyone's struggling, but you know, it can be helpful to celebrate other people's wins to like, hey, this person lost both their legs, but look, they, they just figured out how to do this car transfer.

Brandy Archie 
Mm-hmm.

Brandy Archie 
Mm-hmm.

Emilia Bourland 
They just figured out how to do X, Y, Z, right? Like we can celebrate in other people's wins and take motivation from that as well and build community around that. And I think those things are also really important to help foster this idea that like we can do it, that we're gonna work through it, that we're gonna get there. And even if things don't look exactly the way that they looked before, there is still so much inherent value.

in the ability to participate in our own lives and do the things that we want to do regardless of how exactly it looked at one point in time or the other.

Brandy Archie 
Yeah, as as you can get it done. Even if it has to be done in a different way, it's okay. Well, I think these...

Emilia Bourland 
Yeah, as long as you can do it and it's safe. That's all that matters.

Brandy Archie 
That's right. Yeah, I think this is really helpful to think through the, and most of it is very like cognitive and emotional and like the way you picture yourself. And you know, you can't necessarily control what caused the thing that's causing all the problems, but you can take some steps to reframe how you're thinking about it. And that's really what we're saying to you in all five of these.

Emilia Bourland 
Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly. We can't control any pretty much anything, right? We have this illusion that there are things that we can control in this world, but basically

Brandy Archie 
Mm-hmm.

Emilia Bourland 
It's really out of our hands. What we can control is ourself, our reactions to things, reframing how we're thinking about things. And does that take work? Does that take practice? Yeah, just like everything else does. But is it worth it to do because of the more positive journey it can take us on and the better outcomes that it can create? Absolutely. And also, you your therapist is there to help you work through these things too, right? I'm not...

Brandi and I aren't having this conversation right now like we've never had this conversation. The fact is we've actually had this conversation in different aspects over and over like thousands of times with people, right? So, you know, talk to your therapist about how you're feeling, not just about how hard it is to.

Brandy Archie 
so many times.

you

Emilia Bourland 
do X, Y, or Z, but maybe also about like, I'm struggling with thinking about how it used to be versus how it is. I'm struggling with comparing myself. I'm struggling with feeling motivated, like whatever it is. I guarantee you they will have help and resources to help get you through that too.

Brandy Archie 
Well, I think that puts a bow on it. And if you have made it to the end of this episode, we appreciate you and we want to hear from you about what else you want to learn about and what kind of experts we should bring on and what kind of people you want to hear from. So please make sure you like and subscribe and leave us a review on the place that you watch this at because it really helps us get to more people. And we look forward to seeing you on the next episode. Bye, everybody.

Emilia Bourland 
Bye.

 

 

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